Ridikzappa 3:06 Tue Dec 2
Watch what happens when Russell Brand is asked home much rent he pays
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Brandy Randy don't like being asked awkward questions. =
A reporter sparked an abrupt response from comedian Russell Brand when he asked him how much he pays in rent at a protest on the issue at Downing Street.
The Essex born comedian, 39, was being interviewed at the New Era Estate protest outside 10 Downing Street by Channel 4's Paraic O’Brien when he was asked how much he paid for his home in the capital.
After replying that it was rented, he was pressed to give a precise figure for how much he pays to live there, but refused.
He replied: "I'm not interested in talking to you about my rent, mate. I'm here to support a very, very important campaign and you as a member of the media have an important duty to represent these people - not to reframe the argument in a ridiculous way."
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/celebritynews/reporters-rent-question-sparks-abrupt-reply-from-russell-brand-9897531.html?cmpid=facebook
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WHOicidal Maniac
4:56 Sat Dec 6
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What ever Gav.
Sure I could have trawled the internet looking at every post, forum and newsclip....But in truth I have a Life.
I heard what brand had said, I knew from previous experience and discussions that MPH worked in that area and I wanted his opinion.
If thats lazy..well so be it. I have heard the 'Cool version' and now I have heard a 'boots on the ground' version of the events and thats all I wanted..the other side of the argument.
I see no reason to start pointing fingers calling people 'lazy' when my posts have been directed specifically toMPH and it was amicable and I was learning.
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Gavros
4:48 Sat Dec 6
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its lazy to have an opinion on something when you havent even done the bare minimum to check the facts of the argument.
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Gavros
4:46 Sat Dec 6
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this article:
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/richard-benyon/richard-benyon-housing-hackney_b_5567008.html
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WHOicidal Maniac
4:46 Sat Dec 6
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Gavros 4:12 Sat Dec 6
How on earth does my post highlight 'Laziness' when I am, and have been, asking MPH for quite a while to explain what the fuck is going on their from HIS point of view ?
Im 300 miles away how would I know if its council run or Housing association or divinely given by Jesus Christ himself ? and as I have said in a previous post, I have only heard one side of the story through the lenses of Brands own videos.
At what point does asking for someone elses opinion, a person who knows infinitely more about the situation than me, considered 'lazy' ?
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Gavros
4:46 Sat Dec 6
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According to this article, the Benyon Estate, which is a much larger landlord in De Beauviour, took a minority interest in the New Era Estate in order to convince Westbrook, the majority owner, to lengthen the period at discounted rents so that they could come up with a regeneration scheme that included at least some affordable housing. It ended its interest in the New Era some months before Brand got involved as the mud slinging, particularly by a Ms Diane Abbot, was undermining the work it was trying to do with its own tenants.
Westbrook are now sole owner and it is perfectly within their rights to charge tenants what it likes, or evict them, because they have the typical Assured Shorthold Tenancies.
That's it, unless of course you somehow think it would be right and do-able for the government to force Westbrook to keep rents low (it cant), or force them to sell at a massive loss to another social housing trust, at which point Westbrook will sue and win much more than their loss from the government.
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ManorParkHammer
4:17 Sat Dec 6
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'Affordable Housing' is also a bit of a misleading name.
It is based (in my experience) on charging up to 80% of market value.
With a benefits cap and the market value increases in Zones 1 - 3 especially this is not affordable to a lot of people and social housing units are sitting empty for a much, much longer period of time.
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Gavros
4:12 Sat Dec 6
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Well your post highlights the laziness that im talking about. The New Era estate is not Council run, and does not contain any affordable and/or social housing. Of course, they SAY that its 'affordable housing' that their in, and thats because (a) it makes it sound like the council are somehow involved and (b) it is actually very affordable, at about a quarter of the price of the rent it should be. It is being sold by a charitable trust which has for years kept the rent extremely low, but which now needs money to sort out its other properties. It gets maximum value from that by selling to a landlord who will charge the market rate for the flats.
They had it good for a long time, they arent going to now. Fucking tough luck.
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ManorParkHammer
4:04 Sat Dec 6
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As a matter of order I work for a Housing Association not the council (any more).
I live in Newham. The major seems to be of the opinion with the Focus E15 Mums that if they can't afford the rent in Newham they should move. It sounds an utterly heartless position to adopt.
But he is also giving priority to armed forces and working people on the housing register at the expense of the unemployed. These will likely be offered alternative accommodation provided by Newham in places like Brentwood.
The borough is changing beyond recognition in the west of it and those on benefits in social housing or on low to middleish incomes on the private market will be priced out.
I had to leave Stratford before the Olympics as I was priced out and had to come back to Manor Park.
However if Newham is to improve there is pretty much no other way than massive investment. This will come at a price.
In my opinion a price worth paying including for those who move in the long term.
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WHOicidal Maniac
3:57 Sat Dec 6
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Gavros 3:44 Sat Dec 6
To be fair the 'cool' view is the only view that has been presented, until MPH has put forward another side to the argument here.
I think that if people knew the other side of the coin given by the council itself then perhaps it would be a debate rather than what appears to be barbaric treatment of tenants by its council.
I have seen The Mayor of Newham looking all grumpy and getting agitated at young women at a fete, I have seen the boarded up houses, I have been told that Westbrook(I think) are buying these houses up dirt cheap and increasing the rents on the people who cant afford it so they can make more money on the backs of the poorest.
This is what I have been told. What has been the counter argument ?...nothing, til a poster on a football forum gave insight from the other side.
Cant blame people for going along with the only story they hear.
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mashed in maryland
3:53 Sat Dec 6
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"brand should have given him a slap instead"
Fucking LOL.
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stirlinghammer
3:52 Sat Dec 6
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Agreed he over reacted..but this journo was there to take the piss and he did catch brand off guard...brand should have given him a slap instead.
Stoke is ok but not enough ethnics and kosher shops.
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ManorParkHammer
3:48 Sat Dec 6
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Indeed Gavros.
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Gavros
3:44 Sat Dec 6
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"Social Housing in London is full of complex financial and not forgetting moral dynamics that Brands simplistic loudspeakers views do not really give people the full depth of knowledge or information to see the big picture"
this is exactly the point i made when i said that people who ascribe to Brand's view on this issue are lazy. They cant be bothered to understand the underlying complexities of it, so its much easier to side with a 'cool' view spouted by a celebrity.
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ManorParkHammer
3:44 Sat Dec 6
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Stirling - if Osborne or Cameron or Milliband had the balls to face Andrew Neil, Jon Snow, Jeremy Paxman or the reporter from Channel 4 news they would also get the same level of interrogation if not far worse.
Boris got mauled by Eddie Marr.
They choose to engage with people who will not question them to intensely like Andrew Marr.
They pick their battles. Brand does not. He even admits he does himself no favours by appearing on tele as he does not have the ability to not throw his toys out of his pram.
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Gavros
3:43 Sat Dec 6
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move to stoke, stirling. Its really nice.
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stirlinghammer
3:39 Sat Dec 6
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Do you think the likes of Cameron milliband etc... Are better suited to understand the people who brand represents? There is difference between being fed with a silver spoon after you have done well in life and being born with one in your mouth?
It does make me laugh to see the clinical right wing interrogation of brand whilst the Oxbridge elite continue to take the piss and tell us to tighten our belts, get on our bikes, move to stoke etc...
What the fck do they know about the people who live on benefits, have low paid jobs?
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ManorParkHammer
3:31 Sat Dec 6
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I have not been directly involved in that Gavros but from what I have read and heard - yes it is.
I dont know how familiar people are with Bow - but the old Leopold Estate off Bow Common Lane had that issue. One tenant held up the process for a year whilst a whole estate sat empty, riddled with crime and social failure.
http://www.london.gov.uk/priorities/planning/strategic-planning-applications/mayors-planning-decisions/leopold-estate-phase-2-land-bounded-by-bow-common-lane-st-pauls
Some great ifnromation on how the area has been regenerated on Google and YouTube on this one.
Social Housing in London is full of complex financial and not forgetting moral dynamics that Brands simplistic loudspeakers views do not really give people the full depth of knowledge or information to see the big picture.
I am not denying that there will be terrible stories of how this impacts on vulnerable people. However it seems to me to be unavoidable.
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Gavros
3:24 Sat Dec 6
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That's the issue in the carpenters as well isn't it manor? In at least one block about 5 flats refusing to move out, fucking up the entire process of getting the land back in use.
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ManorParkHammer
3:21 Sat Dec 6
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'condensation due to condensation methods'
should be:
'condensation due to construction methods and design'
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ManorParkHammer
3:19 Sat Dec 6
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It is not a one off.
I comes down to poor management and a history of neglect.
I am not saying these are the exact cases of the one Brand videoed at but:
1. An elderly couple living in a 3 storey house worth around 1.6 million were given a kitchen upgrade in 2010. They both died in 2011. The kitchen was for all purposes brand new as they received meals on wheels. The house was then thoroughly surveyed and found to me in need of major structural works. The house was eventually sold on the private market a couple of months ago after the ridiculously long process to do so (changing tenure was completed).
During this time no one could live there unless the repairs were undertaken and is a perfect exactly of a house sitting empty and the waste that currently exists in social housing.
2. A block of flats poorly constructed which had terrible issues with condensation due to condensation methods has been earmarked for demolition/ sale. As each flat becomes empty it is kept empty for those purposes. The last family refuses to move until the housing offered and compensation offered is what the think is sufficient. The rest of the block sits empty.
More waste.
3. Stock is transferred with no plans or data. Computer systems do not work or data is incorrect. Works arewrongly carried out etc.
Do not confuse incompetence or the very slow moving of housing providers with an evil plan or conspiracy. It is not the case in my experience.
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Rise Park family
3:19 Sat Dec 6
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Getting back to Brand....just to say his,in my opinion, hypocrisy (landlord tax haven etc) leaves me cold. Am probably wrong but just my view.
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